Future subs out position a nuclear sub, ha, ha!!!

Robert Bond   Director   Citizens for Defence

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Virginia sub in dry dock

Virginia sub in dry dock

Admiral Moffitt says “If we find our (diesel electric submarines) up against a (nuclear submarine) we defeat it by having our submarine in the right place,” (Subs need to be out there doing the damage, Brendan Nicholson, 25/5).

Admiral, we do not believe you. Prove it by challenging the US to supply a Virginia class nuclear attack submarine to go head to head with 5 Collins-class submarines in the mid Pacific Ocean.

This armchair admiral suggests having a large noisy warship travel in an anti submarine random zigzag pattern at 25 knots with the Virginia sub defending the ship and the Collins subs attacking the ship. All hits should be recorded and the whole process observed by independent observers instructed to report to the Australian people.

The politicians responsible for our defence force have never had 5 submarines available for duty at the one time in the last decade and they should declare how many sea worthy submarines they have available at present fit to oppose a Virginia class submarine.

Even if only 1, 2, or 3 subs are available the politicians should demonstrate to the Australian people that Admiral Moffitt’s statement is correct.

Considering the Australian diesel electric submarines can only reach a speed of 21 knots for 60 kilometers compared with a nuclear submarine that has a speed of 32 Knots for thousands of kilometers it behoves the government and opposition to clearly show how their diesel electric submarine can out position a nuclear submarine. It is an unbelievable suggestion.

It is a sad state of affairs when one cannot trust the judgment of politicians on defence issues anymore, especially when the whole future submarine project will cost over $50 billion which is 2 years of our paltry defence budget.

As far as “bang for the buck” goes it will be an absolute disaster.

Shipyards have to compete

Robert Bond   Director   Citizens for Defence

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CITIZENS FOR DEFENCE

Virginia control room

Virginia control room

Shipyards have to compete

bobUnless Australian shipyards can produce world class ships and submarines they have no future. The future submarine is doomed unless Australia can build a Virginia clone or equivalent with nuclear propulsion and all its high technology features.

Politicians are just throwing taxpayer money away if they persist in building a 4000 tonne submarine with state of the art combat and communication systems and then power it with a century old diesel electric propulsion system. This limits the submarine to a range of 60 kilometres submerged at 21 knots compared with a Virginia class nuclear attack submarine that can travel at 32 knots submerged far in excess of 60,000 kilometres.

Australia has to embrace nuclear energy for its own survival. Our small population means we have to have big effective weapons to protect our 36000 kilometres of coastline. Former US Rear Admiral John B Padgett 111 has cited studies indicating that ‘it takes 2.2 to six diesel-electric submarines to obtain the equivalent effectiveness of a single nuclear submarine’.

It is time for the politicians to put up or be exposed for their utter disregard for the security of this country by condemning this nation to rely on 100 yr old diesel electric technology which is only 20% as effective as nuclear technology. The sickening spin of the politicians should be put to the test in the mid Pacific Ocean with five Collins class subs and one Virginia-class sub undergoing a series of exercises to determine the effectiveness of each boat.

This armchair admiral suggests having a big warship travel in an anti submarine random zigzag pattern at 25 knots with the Virginia sub defending the ship and the Collins subs attacking the ship. They could have exercises where the Collins subs are in front, to the sides and at the rear of the warship with hits recorded and the whole process observed by independent observers instructed to report to the Australian people.

It is a sad state of affairs when one cannot trust the judgement of politicians on defence issues anymore, especially when the whole submarine project will cost over $50 billion which is 2 years of our pathetic defence budget. The fact is Australia has never had anything like 5 subs available for active duty at the one time in the last decade and this just highlight the pathetic performance of our politicians in the whole sorry defence debacle.

Virginia sub being built

Virginia sub being built

Brazil is building a nuclear submarine which includes the reactor with help from the French. The British have the new Astute-Class nuclear submarine, and the US ambassador to Australia has said that the US would supply Virginia subs to Australia to improve our defence forces. Surely our paralysed politicians could start to consider the defence of this nation by approaching these nations for a joint venture arrangement where we can acquire modern submarines.

BAE systems already are expected to build our diesel dinosaur subs and they build the new British Astute-Class. General Dynamics Electric Boat Company build the Virginia-Class sub in the US and already supply Australia with most of the combat and communications systems. The US has supplied Britain with nuclear propulsion technology in the past and hopefully would do the same for us provided the Electric Boat Company set up a subsidiary in Australia to assemble the boats.

It is high technology fire power that Australia desperately needs in its defence force and if Australian shipyards cannot provide it at a competitive price it has to be sought elsewhere.

The issue will never be settled even if the government arrogantly foists last century submarines on the Australian defence force.

 

Defence white paper 2013 so last century

Robert Bond   Director   Citizens for Defence

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Defence white paper so last century

bobThe Defence White Paper 2013 has been delivered by the Labor government and the dust has settled amongst the many analysts examining the paper.

Those analysts close to the government or subsidised by the government offered trivial incremental criticism encased in a broad acceptance of the paper.

Other independent observers came out and gave the government a thrashing it deserves for its lack of funding for the defence forces and the lack of any strategic plan.

The DWP 2013 is a fake political document designed to mislead the Australian public into believing the defence force is just treading water and will continue to proceed in the years ahead when the finances are brought forward.

F35

F35 Lightning 2 stealth fighter

But it is really treading water in the 20 km wide mouth of the Amazon River where the water seems calm but the mighty flow of the river is actually sweeping them into the ocean and oblivion.

The surge of funds flowing into weapons procurement in the Indo-Pacific region makes treading water on defence a sure fire recipe for ending up perishing in a tsunami of Asian nationalism and military eruptions.

The DWP 2013 is a last century relic suitable to a time when Australia could have a defence force edge over other nations in Asia.

This century heralds a new dawn where Indonesia boasts that it intends to have a bigger defence force than anyone else in the southern Asia. China maintains 1.25 million soldiers and has a massive arms building programme of conventional weapons as well as short and medium range conventional ballistic missiles, land attack and anti-ship cruise missiles, counter space weapons and military cyberspace systems

The time for Australia to build our defences is now, not when the rest of Asia has had decades to consolidate and hone their forces into war machines which can intimidate an unarmed Australia and deny the US sea and air space in the South Pacific.

Politicians should realise that 2% of GDP for defence spending is not acceptable in these circumstances. It insults our ally the US who has invested close to 5% of GDP for defence for the last 70 years. We have to man up. We have to match the US per capita and then some.

There needs to be a strategic plan where in a reasonable amount of time Australia will be able to project hard hitting power up to 2000 kilometres from its coastline inside of 4 days.

The RAAF bare bases Scherger at Weipa on Cape York Peninsula, Curtin at Derby WA, and Learmonth at Exmouth in WA should be built up progressively by installing top end radar installations, underground fuel and weapons supplies, hardened bunkers for command centres and portable defence missile batteries.

RAAF Scherger Cape York

RAAF Scherger Cape York

Surveillance drones should oversee the northern waters as well as aircraft and patrol boats. It is incredible how junk boats can travel at 4 knots and end up in Geraldton, Darwin and who knows how many other estuaries and coves around our northern coastline without being discovered.

Serious exercises should be held twice a year in the middle of summer and the middle of winter where a panel of interested citizens, retired army officers and media could observe the success or otherwise of these manoeuvres and inform the nation.

The defence forces have more public relations officers than tank commanders. These officers spin out the good side and hide the bad side of the defence forces performance.

These exercises could have the navy in an unknown position 1500 kilometres or more out to sea and on discovery by the normal surveillance methods an immediate mobilisation of fuel tankers, AWAC and electronic aircraft and stealth attack planes would proceed to the nearest northern airbase where within hours they would mount a coordinated attack out to sea with the use of the fuel tankers and AWACs etc. Missiles could be fired at drone targets.

This is the only way to be sure the force is coordinated and effective and in the end honed to perfection.

Several decades ago the armed forces had such an exercise and it was sickening to follow. The northern coast was under simulated attack and had to be defended. The air force did not have the range to find the attacking ships.

The army loaded up the Leopard tanks onto low loaders and headed up through South Australia to Alice Springs. It was a tortuous slow trip which culminated in the convoy being blocked in the Northern Territory by several bridges that had a load bearing weight less than the convoy.

It took many days to get army earthmoving equipment to make detours. Finally they got to the target area and the tanks were put into service. After two days the tanks halted because the air conditioners couldn’t cope with the extreme heat and the motors air filters could not cope with the red dust.

It was Dads army at its worst. The exercise was a complete failure and instead of learning from the exercise the defence force has never carried out another comprehensive exercise to this day to my knowledge.

A coordinated mobile force like the above is what the DWP should be about even if bases in the south have to be closed or reduced in size and valuable land in built up areas sold off. Having a Naval Base in Sydney harbour is obscene and should be sold off.

Australia is capable of defending itself if the politicians had the will and the media informed the nation of the pathetic state our defence forces are in.

Australia is a US bloodsucker

Professor Paul Dibb and other learned defence analysts suggest Australia’s defence budget should increase from 1.56% of GDP to 2% of GDP when funds become available.
Our Ally the US has just reduced its defence budget from nearly 5% of GDP to 4.1% of GDP which has caused much concern in the Western Minister of Defence Stephen Smithdemocracies.
Even at this reduced defence spending the US is subsidising Australian defence spending to over $30 billion per year.
Add this up for the 70 odd years since WW2 that the Americans have been doing this and our “free ride” on the US tax payer becomes obscene and an embarrassing exploitation of a good friend.
Surely our pride and our concern for our own security demand we match the percentage of US GDP spending.